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- From: wglenn@utkux1.utk.edu (Hecubus)
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- Subject: Re: C64 CDROM
- Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 21:42:20 GMT
- Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville
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- doug.cotton@the-spa.com (Doug Cotton) wrote:
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- >In article <667810499wnr@talent.demon.co.uk>, darren@talent.demon.co.uk wrote:
-
- >> The Reason the C64 market has virtually died is because all the software
- >> companies (Except for a few small ones) have moved onto bigger machines
- >> which can actually make them a lot more money. They simply moved there
- >> resources onto systems that will make them 10 times for income. It is
- >> the same with everything, as technology improves the companies have to
- >> move along with it or get swept aside. Piracy is not the problem, the
- >> systems the major companies have moved onto (Consoles,PC's etc) are
- >> having there software distributed more than they ever did on the C64 or
- >> any other old machine.
-
- >I don't agree. Piracy played a big role in companies leaving the 64
- >market. I know -- I worked for one that left for that reason, and talked
- >to many others that did so as well. Piracy was far and away too rampant in
- >the 64 market, and still is today. We estimate that there are roughly two
- >million C64's still in use. Out of that number, about 40,000 actually buy
- >products, with an even smaller percentage of that being software sales.
-
- I agree that software companies are concerned with piracy and that it
- certainly is a consideration which they weigh when deciding whether or
- not to produce software for a machine. Personally, I now use a
- Pentium 66 machine with a Commodore emulator (with copyrighted ROM).
- When I used a Commodore (back in 1985) I would use QuantumLink (when
- they still had person-to-peron file transfers) to pirate software. I
- am now older and (I hope) a bit more mature. I purchase all the
- software I use on my Pentium, and refuse to use pirated software. But
- it is not out of blind obedience to the command's of a group of old
- over weight white males in Washington. I realize that to copy the
- software I use directly affects the people who produced the software,
- and that (no matter that his net worth currently exceeds mine by 13
- billion) Bill Gate's *needs* or 'has a right' to my $89. It is worth
- remarking that the IBM market is still able to support game software.
- It may be that the demographics are different and that IBM users don't
- pirate software (in my experience they do) while commodore users do,
- but it seems to me that the most likely explanation is that software
- manufacturers stopped producing software for the commodore because of
- a decrease in the size of the commodore market. Piracy is a
- constant.I mean, seriously, companies like Epyx, Activision,
- Electronic Arts, and Origin still make game software. And the games
- they make for the IBM are just as susceptible to piracy as the ones
- they used to make for commodore. As a matter of fact, it seems that
- the piracy war was conceded to the pirates when these companies
- totally removed all software copy protection schemes (except code
- wheels and now CD keys). In short, game makers *always* have piracy
- to contend with, the commodore market probably died because the market
- shifted towards newer technology. I mean, no-one contends that piracy
- drove the 2600 into extinction do they? It was because other products
- were better that the 2600 ceased to be a commercially viable product.
- I think it is a matter of fact that sales of commodore hardware
- decreased as sales of x86 hardware increased. ANYWAY, without arguing
- that point any further, let me say that I *do* copy old commodore
- games. I know it violates a law. But though it be illegal it does
- not seem to me immoral. These games are not commercially available
- any longer. Sure I may be able to purchase a copyright from a seller
- of used software or someone who bought out a warehouse, but copying
- software when these are your only alternatives doesn't seem to have
- the same consequences that are usually cited as reasons for not
- pirating software. "It discourages software production, by decreasing
- sales", "The author has a right to profit from his work.", etc...The
- only reason to refrain from pirating old non-viable pieces of software
- the seems valid is that of blind obedience to civil law, and blind
- obedience to civil law has never seemed a good thing to me. Anyway,
- that is how I feel about the matter. God bless CMD for supporting the
- habit of old commdore hobbyists. If I ever need any hardware I will
- buy it from them, but my software I will purchase from Darren. :)
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